Extra modifiers in 1.10 (2024)

Pyure said:

My understanding is that in 1.10+ extra modifiers are no longer a thing. Hopefully someone will contradict me, given my 1.10 experience is pretty limited, but last time I checked, it seemed you were being incentivized to think carefully about the tools you make, and you can't just make a does-everything-amazingly tool anymore.

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Paper parts still allow more modifiers - I believe a full tool made out of paper will allow you to put 5 reinforcement plates on it, rendering it unbreakable.

GamerwithnoGame said:

Paper parts still allow more modifiers - I believe a full tool made out of paper will allow you to put 5 reinforcement plates on it, rendering it unbreakable.

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Awesome, thanks for clarifying GWNG.

GamerwithnoGame said:

Paper parts still allow more modifiers - I believe a full tool made out of paper will allow you to put 5 reinforcement plates on it, rendering it unbreakable.

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I'd like to get a tool wich is both unbreakable and has some other modifiers like haste or sharp.

I've come to the conclusion that making an axe or pickaxe (probably shovel, too) with a single copper component and then putting moss on it is pretty close to unbreakable. It will mend itself by consuming XP, which it creates when it does what it was meant to do. Having a wooden tool part will also make it slowly repair, so if you do both, the effect is quite nice. Also note that the tool with moss will repair from any XP you collect, so if I need to quickly repair my pick, I chop down a few trees with my (copper binding) lumber axe.

Asking for an unbreakable tool that does other things we'll doesn't really fly in 1.10, which IMO is better for balance.

Cptqrk said:

If you use tinkers' tool leveling mod, you can gain extra modifiers over time (use = tool exp etc)

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This. I recently put a lumber axe in an EIO farming station with an octo cap planting spruce trees...things got nuts. It is currently unbreakable, has 5 modifiers remaining and I've got 550k spruce logs in my AE system.

MrMonsterGuy18 said:

I don't know if it is a tinkers construct addon or not but there are item you can craft which if put on a a tool give it an extra modifier

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That would be adding a nether star, i believe. Also, I think there is still the gold block and diamond thing, and the notch apple and diamond block thing

triggerfinger12 said:

That would be adding a nether star, i believe. Also, I think there is still the gold block and diamond thing, and the notch apple and diamond block thing

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Back in 1.7.10, but not in 1.10.2. In 1.10.2 the nether star does something else... Soulbound I believe? So it stays with you if you die. The others simply don't work.

https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/tinkers-addons

MacAisling said:

https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/tinkers-addons

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So someone made an addon because they were upset that there was balance in the mod?

Fine, doesn't mean anyone is going to use it.

ShneekeyTheLost said:

So someone made an addon because they were upset that there was balance in the mod?

Fine, doesn't mean anyone is going to use it.

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Your version of balance and other's version of balance may differ. Remember the reason RF exists? Because the BC team didn't think storing MJ was balanced, and KL did. (Well, plus other reasons like server efficiency but..)
Also, it has 800k downloads.

RenzosNips said:

Your version of balance and other's version of balance may differ. Remember the reason RF exists? Because the BC team didn't think storing MJ was balanced, and KL did. (Well, plus other reasons like server efficiency but..)
Also, it has 800k downloads.

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...I don't even know where to begin trying to correct this, but in the end it would only derail the thread. Suffice to say the creation of RF was more a coder not wanting to keep carrying decimals through his code than any balance issue (hence why they continued to play nicely together all this time).

Your original statement, however, is correct. Everyone defines balance differently, especially when designing packs. That said, TiCo for 1.10 feels (to me) more balanced than it's 1.7 counterpart. Actual tradeoffs exist now, where before you could just build the best tool, then slap resources (maybe too few for the power) at it to make it godly.

My issue with add-ons for TiCo (and many add-on mods in general) is the internal balance within the mod is usually either skewed badly or outright disregarded when adding additional content (in this case materials and modifiers). Remember ExtraTiC and Signalum Crossbows? Hella fun, but completely broken in most packs. Remember when the nerf hammer dropped to fix the gross unbalance? You still see the occasional butthurt thread about it even now, usually asking what version to downgrade into to get their OP toys back. I'm not accusing the 1.10 add-on of this, as I've not played it. It's more of me being burned before.

Different strokes for different folks.